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[Forum] AmigaOS 4.0 on PegasosLink
Posted on 15-Apr-2002 13:27 GMT by Morka510 comments (327k)
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This is email from Thomas Frieden about AOS4.0 and Pegasos board.

Odosielate¾: Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com>
Adresát: morka@zoznam.sk
Predmet: Re: AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos

Hi,
morka@zoznam.sk wrote:

>Hi. I have one problem. I want buy Pegasos but at today AOS4.0 not run on this board.

Say who ? I thought it was already said: We do want to support the Pegasos board. It's firmly planned. Unfortunately, we haven't received a developer board yet, but if we ever get one, OS4 will run on the Pegasos.

Regards,

Thomas Frieden
Senior Developer, Hyperion Entertainment
ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com

 AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 200 of 510
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (134.58.222.46) on 15-Apr-2002 20:32:44
In Reply to Comment 182 (darklite):
I love legal discussions but not with people who don't have the legal background.

Do you people know what you are making claims about?

Take a look at article 6 here and tell me that you understand this provision fully.

You remember only 5 words of this article and then conclude decompilation is legal.

"Article 6 Decompilation
1. The authorization of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the code and translation of its form within the meaning of Article 4 (a) and (b) are indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the following conditions are met:
(a) these acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorized to to so;
(b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been readily available to the persons referred to in subparagraph (a); and (c) these acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary to achieve interoperability.
2. The provisions of paragraph 1 shall not permit the information obtained through its application:
(a) to be used for goals other than to achieve the interoperability of the independently created computer program;
(b) to be given to others, except when necessary for the interoperability of the independently created computer program; or (c) to be used for the development, production or marketing of a computer program substantially similar in its expression, or for any other act which infringes copyright.
3. In accordance with the provisions of the Berne Convention for the protection of Literary and Artistic Works, the provisions of this Article may not be interpreted in such a way as to allow its application to be used in a manner which unreasonably prejudices the right holder's legitimate interests or conflicts with a normal exploitation of the computer program."


You don't and you prove it with your posts.

Hell, you don't even understand the difference between software and hardware.

The contents of a ROM is not hardware but software and there is plenty of case-law about that.

What we are doing with OS 4 to support the Cyberstorm and BlizzardPPC is perfectly legal.

We are using publically available information (BSD source-code, Linux APUS source-code) to support this hardware.

Even if we would not do that and reverse engineer either WarpOS or Powerup (which we are not doing), this would be legal because we are TARGETING THE SAME HARDWARE.

Brecht, for the love of god, you are allowed to reverse engineer to make sure your software is compatible/interoperates with other software or even to produce a competitive package (within limits).

Hence DirOpus is legal even though it it replaces Workbench.
But you are forgiven because Nicolas Sallin equally seems to have a problem understanding this.

Reverse engineering Cybergraphix would be perfectly legal in order for interoperability. This is actually a prime example of WHY it was made legal to some extent.

Besides, I have said before and I'll say it again, reverse engineering is only one legal angle on the MorphOS versus AmigaOS debate.

The main thrust of the argument revolves around unfair and parasitic competition (in Germany: Gesetz gegen Unlauteren Wettbewerk) and incitement to breach contract ("Verleitung zum Vertragsbruch) the contract in question being the Amiga OS 3.x EULA which disallows use of it on any non Amiga branded or licensed computer (and it's not because you allow this in one context say UAE that you need to allow it in another especially not if one's commercial and one's not)

Let me repeat it: as long as MorphOS allows for OS 3.x to be installed and OS 3.x compatible products to be run, it will constitute "unfair and parasitic competition" under German law.

And that was the plan wasn't it?

But like Dave said and Nicolas Sallin invited me to do: let's find out what the judge in Frankfurt has to say.



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Comment 396redrumloa17-Apr-2002 11:58:38
Comment 397Chris Allen17-Apr-2002 12:23:34
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Comment 403Ole-Egil Hvitmyren17-Apr-2002 12:42:06
Comment 404Björn Hagström17-Apr-2002 12:42:45
Comment 405DaveW17-Apr-2002 12:49:31
Comment 406Samface17-Apr-2002 13:34:41
Comment 407Paoky17-Apr-2002 13:43:37
Comment 408Stefan Burström17-Apr-2002 14:03:54
Comment 409Stefan Burström17-Apr-2002 14:11:12
Comment 410Amifan17-Apr-2002 14:20:44
Comment 411Amifan17-Apr-2002 14:23:46
Comment 412David Gerber17-Apr-2002 14:24:00
Comment 413David Scheibler17-Apr-2002 14:27:56
Comment 414Anders Kjeldsen17-Apr-2002 14:30:48
Comment 415DaveW17-Apr-2002 14:31:17
Comment 416DaveW17-Apr-2002 14:33:56
Comment 417Amifan17-Apr-2002 14:35:15
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Comment 419Stefan Burström17-Apr-2002 14:42:46
Comment 420Anders Kjeldsen17-Apr-2002 14:58:38
Comment 421Amifan17-Apr-2002 15:10:54
Comment 422Anders Kjeldsen17-Apr-2002 15:18:00
Comment 423Anonymous17-Apr-2002 15:19:16
Comment 424DaveW17-Apr-2002 15:21:56
Comment 425SlimJim17-Apr-2002 15:25:35
Comment 426Anders Kjeldsen17-Apr-2002 15:28:39
Comment 427SlimJim17-Apr-2002 15:32:53
Comment 428Ole-Egil Hvitmyren17-Apr-2002 16:27:50
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Comment 430Alcemyst17-Apr-2002 16:58:44
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Comment 433Anonymous17-Apr-2002 17:15:28
Comment 434Anders Kjeldsen17-Apr-2002 17:36:12
Comment 435Anonymous17-Apr-2002 18:04:08
Comment 436Alkis Tsapanidis17-Apr-2002 18:16:17
Comment 437Amon_Re17-Apr-2002 20:19:07
Comment 438Teemu I. Yliselä17-Apr-2002 21:17:42
Comment 439Teemu I. Yliselä17-Apr-2002 21:21:28
Comment 440Amifan17-Apr-2002 21:33:42
Comment 441Amifan17-Apr-2002 21:37:26
Comment 442Amifan17-Apr-2002 21:45:01
Comment 443ajk17-Apr-2002 21:54:32
Comment 444Troels E17-Apr-2002 23:25:32
Comment 445Alan Watson18-Apr-2002 00:43:17
Comment 446Nicolas Sallin18-Apr-2002 01:21:10
Comment 447Nicolas Sallin18-Apr-2002 01:30:54
Comment 448Nicolas Sallin18-Apr-2002 01:52:09
Comment 449cheesegrate18-Apr-2002 02:38:51
Comment 450Anonymous18-Apr-2002 04:42:00
Comment 451Anonymous18-Apr-2002 04:48:06
Comment 452Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 06:50:53
Comment 453Samface18-Apr-2002 06:54:02
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Comment 455Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 07:07:37
Comment 456Samface18-Apr-2002 07:13:49
Comment 457Samface18-Apr-2002 07:26:46
Comment 458Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 07:28:52
Comment 459Fab118-Apr-2002 07:33:05
Comment 460Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 07:37:20
Comment 461Samface18-Apr-2002 07:49:56
Comment 462Samface18-Apr-2002 08:05:58
Comment 463Samface18-Apr-2002 08:13:23
Comment 464Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 08:21:31
Comment 465Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 08:24:57
Comment 466Samface18-Apr-2002 08:45:12
Comment 467Anonymous18-Apr-2002 08:50:52
Comment 468Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 08:52:42
Comment 469Samface18-Apr-2002 08:57:56
Comment 470Samface18-Apr-2002 09:01:10
Comment 471Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 09:03:04
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Comment 473Amifan18-Apr-2002 09:15:46
Comment 474Christian Kemp18-Apr-2002 09:17:58
Comment 475Anonymous18-Apr-2002 09:35:16
Comment 476Samface18-Apr-2002 09:46:18
Comment 477David Gerber18-Apr-2002 10:00:31
Comment 478Samface18-Apr-2002 10:13:04
Comment 479Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 10:30:13
Comment 480Alkis Tsapanidis18-Apr-2002 10:54:00
Comment 481Alkis Tsapanidis18-Apr-2002 10:54:24
Comment 482Samface18-Apr-2002 11:05:26
Comment 483Samface18-Apr-2002 11:11:30
Comment 484Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 11:14:19
Comment 485Samface18-Apr-2002 11:28:13
Comment 486Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 11:36:25
Comment 487Samface18-Apr-2002 11:44:02
Comment 488Samface18-Apr-2002 11:49:45
Comment 489Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 12:04:57
Comment 490Jon18-Apr-2002 13:01:51
Comment 491Samface18-Apr-2002 13:35:01
Comment 492Alkis Tsapanidis18-Apr-2002 13:42:35
Comment 493Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 13:42:52
Comment 494Samface18-Apr-2002 13:46:38
Comment 495Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 14:09:32
Comment 496Samface18-Apr-2002 15:35:35
Comment 497Jon18-Apr-2002 16:11:35
Comment 498Ole-Egil Hvitmyren18-Apr-2002 16:35:34
Comment 499Anders Kjeldsen18-Apr-2002 17:12:44
Comment 500Nicolas Sallin18-Apr-2002 17:15:49
Comment 501Christian Kemp18-Apr-2002 18:31:37
Comment 502Jon18-Apr-2002 19:24:28
Comment 503Amifan18-Apr-2002 19:42:02
Comment 504Anonymous18-Apr-2002 20:51:02
Comment 505Troels Ersking18-Apr-2002 20:55:03
Comment 506Linus Gustafsson18-Apr-2002 23:35:08
Comment 507Jon19-Apr-2002 09:16:53
Comment 508Samface19-Apr-2002 13:52:11
Comment 509Anonymous20-Apr-2002 21:42:58
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